tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5045426307379086704.post4966648887636185817..comments2024-03-29T02:06:42.732-07:00Comments on Cat Patches: Hard ResetBarbarahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05835208971743967582noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5045426307379086704.post-89492835161726717312014-02-05T18:45:55.011-08:002014-02-05T18:45:55.011-08:00WoW! I didn't read for a few days and missed a...WoW! I didn't read for a few days and missed all the excitement! You are very good at giving credit where due and a link to find the product. I can't imagine how that could have done anything but bring her more customers. My mother would have said that person "cut off her nose to spite her face".Bettyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06136264132659958527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5045426307379086704.post-59271819281928915932014-02-05T08:42:41.413-08:002014-02-05T08:42:41.413-08:00I've had that happen, too. A friend showed us...I've had that happen, too. A friend showed us a technique that another friend had shown her (and so on), and I showed it on my blog. I did try to find something about it on the internet, but, not knowing what it was called, it's very hard to research. I was contacted quickly by the lady who had written a book using this method, and threatened with legal action. I quickly took down the post, found and ordered her book, then found others who had written about the same method well before this lady had (one of those public domain things that someone thinks they did first). I've never made that block again, and now don't post things I learn from others. Sorry about the rude comments. They should have been nicer, especially if you linked back to them, and gave credit to the designer. Cheryl's Teapots2Quiltinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005480747596617459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5045426307379086704.post-7062483569453718312014-02-04T23:29:48.676-08:002014-02-04T23:29:48.676-08:00Holy cannolis! Sorry to hear about all the flames...Holy cannolis! Sorry to hear about all the flames you've had to endure Barbara. (((hugs)))quiltzyxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08847188443140845514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5045426307379086704.post-74409939732999086512014-02-04T03:25:21.866-08:002014-02-04T03:25:21.866-08:00So sorry this happened Barbara. I think lots of pe...So sorry this happened Barbara. I think lots of people get inspired by other peoples work. If they (the designers)don't want that, stop putting it on facebook, pinterest etc. <br />And I like to add that making a picture of cats on a fence is not exactly a 'new' idea, there are lots out there, also as quilt patterns. Of course they are all different, but the basic idea is the same: cats on a fence or hill looking at the moon. :-). <br />I think she should have thought first before objecting to you using the image, it would generate a lot of interest in het site and shop. But apperently she couldn't think that far. <br />And the other people? Some seem just to look for an opportunity to write abusive mails and comments. IUf they 're not able to comment in a normal civilised way, they don't deserve any attention. <br />And to 'prove' my point on the subject of her 'art', here's an example of the idea as a quiltpattern. http://www.pettents.org/cart/index.php?main_page=document_general_info&cPath=114&products_id=2950&zenid=eftcep6vhg6cnu0j2rr0b4i770<br /><br />Of course it's different, but it falls in the same category. Just google and there are lots of them, with just 1 or 2 cats or more. <br /><br />hmmm, just wondering: is she still selling you a print or is she consequent enough to refuse that? LOL. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5045426307379086704.post-81349324820700718632014-02-03T22:46:06.705-08:002014-02-03T22:46:06.705-08:00So sorry that you got that kind of reaction from p...So sorry that you got that kind of reaction from people. Anyone who has read your blog for any length of time should know that would never be your intention. I don't know why people feel it is necessary to be so rude. It is so much easier to get your point across without trying to devastate someone. Judy1522https://www.blogger.com/profile/08002999458613812287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5045426307379086704.post-5604438597275195282014-02-03T21:03:05.989-08:002014-02-03T21:03:05.989-08:00She has lost several fans from this. Imitation is...She has lost several fans from this. Imitation is the highest form of flattery. It is best that you have moved on. Brown Familyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11318561483977196827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5045426307379086704.post-91044031702098661792014-02-03T20:32:07.256-08:002014-02-03T20:32:07.256-08:00What a shame for her. She has lost a fan in you. ...What a shame for her. She has lost a fan in you. And we all need all the fans we can get.Janethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17104565945520530658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5045426307379086704.post-35626885476743821692014-02-03T13:23:07.895-08:002014-02-03T13:23:07.895-08:00I missed the post, but sounds like you handled it ...I missed the post, but sounds like you handled it like a champ, kudos to you for handling it with class!Andeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13650632212794638703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5045426307379086704.post-63126506654475985712014-02-03T12:32:22.194-08:002014-02-03T12:32:22.194-08:00The artist has every right to protect her work, bu...The artist has every right to protect her work, but it's really sad that you had to cop all that flack from the haters when you were trying to do your best in a tricky situation. <br />It's clear from some of the comments above that most people still don't understand copyright. Copying someone's work, beyond fair use, is not tribute, it's theft. If you want to pay tribute to an artist by producing derivative work, then ask first. If they say no, do something else.Polyquatshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15859590735610467757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5045426307379086704.post-27371310357949513202014-02-03T11:01:27.884-08:002014-02-03T11:01:27.884-08:00I'm so proud of you for the way you handled th...I'm so proud of you for the way you handled this. The artist is one i won't visit again, she really cut off her nose to spit her face. That's sad. You gave credit for her artwork, you bought the print, you now can make the quilt, BUT I totally understand why you won't. She was definitely in the wrong for the way she handled this and it's a pity that she is so petty. Keep on blogging and giving us your wonderful tidbits of info. Please continue to share with us what you love. WE are behind you 100%. Lots of quilty hugs coming your way.Sher S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08702116395166557627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5045426307379086704.post-23594212952689328812014-02-03T09:59:19.979-08:002014-02-03T09:59:19.979-08:00I am so sorry you had to endure hateful and unwant...I am so sorry you had to endure hateful and unwanted comments. I do appreciate you and agree what you do in the privacy of your own home is your business... I love your musings so keep on blogging and know that there are those out there that will never be happy! I just choose to ignore them! Keep on Sewing, your wind in the wiskers is coming along very well! Keep it up... Once you are done you will love this quilt. I did one of hers before and found the tiny pieces quite a challenge but when it was done I love the quilt very much to this day! crazy quilterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05732146613926403990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5045426307379086704.post-34684708322108586372014-02-03T09:52:47.292-08:002014-02-03T09:52:47.292-08:00Well, holy smokes!!! Some people just go around lo...Well, holy smokes!!! Some people just go around looking for a fight and don't care a hoot about who they hurt in the process. Lots of narcissism going on here! I hope you don't let these self-righteous bullies rain on your parade. It would be different if you were intentionally planning to steal this artist's work by recreating it and calling it your own. You gave her full credit. We are allowed to be inspired by another's art and translate it to our own medium, for our own pleasure. Not for sale of course, but you never intended that! It's just unbelievable how quickly the "cyber-mob mentality" takes over and the bullying starts. I think it is a real shame that by sharing the ideas and projects that inspire us, we are also then opened up to the ugliness of others. I am so sorry this happened to you and appreciate the way you have handled it - with the grace and honesty that always shines through in your posts. Teresa in Music Cityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15650995129191593324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5045426307379086704.post-49069395767081029842014-02-03T09:48:55.554-08:002014-02-03T09:48:55.554-08:00Chaviva,
In terms of your last paragraph, if you...Chaviva, <br /><br />In terms of your last paragraph, if you read Barb's post you would have noted that she did purchase a print from the artist, thereby supporting a artist whose work she admired. You seem to imply that she was stealing the art, which I am sure you did not intend to do, as she states that she purchased a print.<br /><br />Secondly, copyright laws CAN on some things, apply to derivative works, which likely Barb's quilt would be considered to be. This means that she can't profit from it. She shouldn't sell it and she certainly shouldn't publish a pattern on how to make one. However, there is nothing in copyright law that prevents anyone from making an item for personal use. If I see a chair I like that someone hand crafted and I think, "wow, that is a very unique chair, I think I'll try to make one like that at home" I'm perfectly within my legal rights to do so. And there isn't a copyright law in the world that could prevent me.<br /><br />As a quilter with plans to publish my own patterns at some point, I am familiar with both sides of the arguement. I ran into a quilter whose patterns I greatly admired - and I considered purchasing some of them. What stopped me was the large disclaimer at the top of every page that claimed that all items made from the patterns were subject to the same copyright as the patterns and were not to be entered in shows or contests without express written permission of the pattern designer. Copyright can apply to the patterns, but it doesn't apply to the end use item that the pattern was designed to make. <br /><br />I realize that we aren't talking about a pattern here, but again, I fail to see the issue with how Barb handled this. If I painted something, I'd be flattered if someone wanted to turn it into a quilt or other medium. I'd ask them to not sell the item, and to attribute the original work to me. If they mass produced it and began selling my art without my permission, then I would have grounds for a law suit. <br /><br />Instead, it sounds to me like the artist got burned at some point and the anonymity of the internet is allowing people to say things to her in an email they would never say to Barb's face. Instead of handling it gracefully, the artist and/or her "fans", whether intended or not, alienated not only Barb but several of her friends. And that of course, has set off a firestorm on both "sides" of the issue, and it will eventually get blown way out of proportion (if it hasn't already). Kaelyn Angelfoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03227765756346935160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5045426307379086704.post-3213549455239923372014-02-03T09:42:56.716-08:002014-02-03T09:42:56.716-08:00Not having seen the original post I am only gettin...Not having seen the original post I am only getting the 'gist' of this. Was the artist a quiltmaker or in the paper medium? If you bought a print to make as a quilt for your own use because you liked it so much why didn't the artist thank you graciously for admiring her work so much. Without any legal knowledge, the print now belongs to you and it seems you could do whatever you wish with it for your own use - make Christmas cards, a quilt, embroider a tea towel with the design. If you framed this and put it on your wall and someone snapped a photo and made a quilt or tabletop of it where does your responsibility (legal or ethical) end? We create, we design, we publish or not. It's all part of life and there's always the 'delete' button. I enjoy your blog, Barbara. Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09468248280025055203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5045426307379086704.post-52187130068618603542014-02-03T09:15:22.504-08:002014-02-03T09:15:22.504-08:00Hi there...
I am one of the people who posted on ...Hi there...<br /><br />I am one of the people who posted on the original blog entry about which there's been such controversy. As far as I can see, you certainly could've replied to me even off the blog, had I said something with which you took issue, or which was untrue.<br /><br />While I'm glad that you took down the entry, I'm really surprised at this follow-up blog. I am NOT an artist - no artistic ability at all, sadly - so I have no vested interest in this at all. But I do KNOW artists - people who truly do make their living from creating art in various forms for other people to buy.<br /><br />And while it's certainly true that I could take any image I found online and have it printed on canvas, for instance, to hang in my own home, or to perhaps make a quilt from it, as may be your practice, it's really important to me to explain just why I wouldn't do it and why I was so shocked that you would.<br /><br />It's not just about producing something for my own personal use... it's that if I take someone else's image and make something with that image, the person who created the image has no opportunity to determine HOW it's used (maybe the artist wouldn't want a quilt made, for instance; or maybe she was already producing quilt patterns for sale herself?). And while you speak of giving credit, this does no favour for the artist - this is the minimum required, I should think, hence the adage about giving credit where credit is due.<br /><br />But moreover, your very clear description about how anybody else could take any other image and create a pattern as you have done is rather startling. If I posted an image of something I've enbroidered, such as the prayer shawls I make to wear at synagogue, and someone else shares that image (credited or not), nothing prevents another person from taking the image and using it to create something else... for which they then get credit. That just feels wrong to me.<br /><br />This matters so very much to me - I post images frequently on my Facebook page, for instance, but never, not EVER without finding out who created them and including that information.<br /><br />The amount of actual business that any artist gets from our sharing & resharing of work they have created may or may not result in a sudden upsurge in sales of their work. I know that for some artists, posts on social media generate occasional sales. Mostly, they generate interest ans sharing of images.<br /><br />I am SO surprised at the unkindess in the follow-up comments on this entry. From what I remember of the original blog, the artist had noted that if you had simply asked first, she probably would have said that you could go ahead and use the image for a quilt that would be yours alone. The problem, as I recall, was your instructional paragraph into how easy it is to make a pattern with someone else's work. I cannot imagine that a writer would take a book that is perhaps not well-known and simply change the character's names and think it was ok to publish a new book from it. This really was not so very different.<br /><br />In terms of the "everyone's out to make a buck" comment," which was the last one I read, the artist whose work you had appropriated is not a hobbyist. She is a working artist, and this is how she makes her living. I love her work - it's whimsical, it's fun, it makes me smile, and ONE DAY, I will buy a piece from her. When I can afford it. Until then, though, I'm not going to print a handful of images for my own personal use and hang them in my home.Chavivahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00021143885591592377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5045426307379086704.post-27008953974735404512014-02-03T08:56:08.806-08:002014-02-03T08:56:08.806-08:00I agree with what most have said....you praised th...I agree with what most have said....you praised the artist, you bought her print, you credited the artist, you linked to her, you even sent some of us there. What upsets me is hearing there was nasty-ness to the comments you received from her and associated friends. I think a simple, "please don't use my pic publicly" would have sufficed. This is not the first fracas I've come across re: copyright, and I'm afraid it won't be the last because everybody is out to make a buck. How sad. Mareihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15773504108856854882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5045426307379086704.post-22430293643837192772014-02-03T08:32:19.718-08:002014-02-03T08:32:19.718-08:00Wow! You got so burnt that I can smell it here! ...Wow! You got so burnt that I can smell it here! Barbara, you sounded so excited when you posted about making a quilt based on the print you saw on Facebook. I totally understand that the joy has been stripped from that project. I think the artist and her cronies did themselves a huge disservice in reacting as they did. I'll not go to her Etsy store now and I'm sure many of your followers feel the same way. I emailed a famous quilt designer once if I could use her patterns in a charitable endeavor and she agreed, only asking that I give here credit on the label. That's what I call classy. Barb Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05744581949539579718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5045426307379086704.post-24737891214799613422014-02-03T08:04:33.044-08:002014-02-03T08:04:33.044-08:00This is just sad, if she ever does decide to make ...This is just sad, if she ever does decide to make quilt patterns your blog would have been an ideal place for her, pattern makers always need pattern testers, instead her "hater" friends have burnt that bridge. Dana Gaffneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02023202806714127984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5045426307379086704.post-914215023716373652014-02-03T07:47:50.695-08:002014-02-03T07:47:50.695-08:00I'm sorry for the way this all played out, but...I'm sorry for the way this all played out, but your grace and openness is a wonderful model for all of us.Mary Hueyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09930632913728046516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5045426307379086704.post-67303304083420440432014-02-03T07:11:09.735-08:002014-02-03T07:11:09.735-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.aliceinparishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00015746940799403919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5045426307379086704.post-19328834173151789982014-02-03T07:07:49.572-08:002014-02-03T07:07:49.572-08:00I'm so sorry your enthusiasm was misinterprete...I'm so sorry your enthusiasm was misinterpreted. I agree with others that your blog post was a great, free, advertisement for the artist. I checked out her work only because of your post.<br /><br />I believe the issue was your public intention to make a quilt based on her work. Still, it appears there was some severe over-reaction. <br /><br />Hopefully, the artist learned a lesson about social media and how very not private it is.<br /><br />Please do your best to ignore the haters and know that we are in your corner. <br /><br />I'm also sorry that you will not enjoy the print when it arrives, or have you cancelled your order?<br /><br />KJworks4mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18354741604515547179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5045426307379086704.post-33995047496624383792014-02-03T06:55:33.864-08:002014-02-03T06:55:33.864-08:00My brother posts his pictures on Facebook, some so...My brother posts his pictures on Facebook, some so they can only be viewed by friends and others by all. The ones open to everyone he sells but he doesn't mind if people print a copy for themselves. As he says he has the original until it is sold and he holds the original photo. He would love it if someone turned one of his pictures into a quilt.Lyndseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01984204149343024935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5045426307379086704.post-29250930913607044952014-02-03T06:50:20.936-08:002014-02-03T06:50:20.936-08:00And I saved her blog address so I could buy a prin...And I saved her blog address so I could buy a print... Not now. Three years ago I came across a really simple pattern on a designer's blog and thought, that's so incredibly simple that I can make that in a couple of hours. So I did and linked to the blog and acknowledged the designer. Immediately she posted about people who steal patterns without paying for them... Whoopsie. Lesson learned. I guess whatever you do, somebody else owns it, and most of them aren't sharing. So sad.Wendyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02856089450984186042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5045426307379086704.post-37093421504891298832014-02-03T06:26:01.090-08:002014-02-03T06:26:01.090-08:00Just like the rest of your loyal friends, I feel y...Just like the rest of your loyal friends, I feel you did nothing wrong. You had covered all your bases. The artist' s followers had no right to be nasty. Sometimes social media allows for too much drama. I'm sorry for the stress and loss of enthusiasm it caused everyone. It's wonderful that you handle it with class. Now on to your next fun project! Junebug613https://www.blogger.com/profile/10214030994830504055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5045426307379086704.post-78793229895224432762014-02-03T06:11:17.144-08:002014-02-03T06:11:17.144-08:00So sorry you had to go through such a nasty experi...So sorry you had to go through such a nasty experience - would have thought the person would be grateful for all the exposure you gave them..<br />Hey don't let it get you down - you did all the right things.<br />Love your blog -enjoy hearing you latest adventures each day.. especially how helpful your cat <br />So make it a good day!!<br />Marylou<br />Fun4Me1249@aol.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com